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Lisa Tamati Part 2: Her Journey to Save Her Mother

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In the second part of Mark’s interview with Lisa Tamati (Author Page), Lisa talks about her mother’s story and the incredible lengths that she went to save her after a massive stroke. This is all detailed in her book Relentless: How a Mother and Daughter Defied the Odds. Lisa and Mark also discuss longevity and how relying on the traditional medical system may not be enough. Listen to this episode to hear Lisa’s incredible story and her routine as a high-performing athlete.

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So, let’s talk about your mom and the situation with her health crisis. And most people would just take the doctor’s word for it and be like, “oh gosh. She’s going to be crippled for the rest of her life.”

Lisa: Yeah, so five and a half years ago, my mom had a massive aneurysm – which is a bleed in the brain – and we had a medical misadventure from the get-go – where the doctor just thought she was having a migraine. And treated us like she’s a neurotic old lady and gave her some painkillers and told her “Wait in the corner.”

And so, we were waiting in the ED for six hours and she was just getting worse. And the pain when you have an aneurysm is apparently the worst pain that you can possibly imagine. Your brain is dying basically.

And I knew that she was in trouble, but at that point I didn’t know anything about anything. And I didn’t know what to ask for or how to push for anything. And I ended up – after six hours – ringing up a friend who was a paramedic. And she had crewed for me in Death Valley, and she knew mum very well, and so on.

And she came up and she knew the hospital – came up and took one look at mum and said, “oh my god. She’s having a neurological event a stroke or an aneurysm – something of that sort.”

And she went to the doctor and she said to him in no uncertain terms – and she’s a very strong lady – “get this woman a CT scan right now. She’s having something major going on in there.”

So, he finally relented and we had the CT scan that came back blood throughout the brain. And then they started to run and jump around. And then my friend looked over at me, and I could tell from the look in her eyes this is not going to end well.

And I’m like terrified at this point. And my dad comes over to me and he’s like been married to my mom for 55 years and he’s like, “oh, we better start planning the funeral.

And I’m like, “hang on a minute, dad.” I grabbed him and I shook him and I said, “she’s alive, she’s breathing and I promise you, I’m going to do everything in my power to bring her back.”

“And you just follow my commands, dad. You do what I tell you to do.” When people are in crisis, you should give them jobs.

Mark: Yeah.

Lisa: Because it gets their logical brain thinking. So, I gave him jobs to ring so-and-so and organize this – get my brothers – we had to get down to wellington, which is our bigger hospital – because we live in a regional town.

And then I stayed with mom, and then we had to wait for the air ambulance, which took another 12 hours to get there. So, the gold standard for something like this is to get them into surgery within an hour. We had 18 hours before we were in surgery. So, it was a miracle that she was still alive at this point.

They did the surgery – amazing surgeons – and they took the pressure… they started to drain the blood off the brain… and then for the next three weeks she had another operation a couple of days later, we were given the choice – either cut through her brain and put a clamp on it, or go up through a femoral artery. And she had a 50% chance of dying one way and a 25% chance of dying the other way.

So, we went with the lesser one, but it meant that she was going to have to have two operations probably, but we thought that was the better option…

Mark: Which option was less risky?

Lisa: Going up through the femoral artery, which they can do – it’s incredible work that these surgeons do.

They did that, and she had another stroke on the operating table. Now she was paralyzed down the right-hand side, but she survived and they’d done their job.

But then she was in and out of a coma for the next three weeks – and when you have blood on the brain it causes spasms – vasospasms they’re called. And it kills off different parts of the brain. So, she was losing more and more of herself as that three weeks went on.

And in this time, I’m like, “right, I’m not going to be caught short again. I’m going to start researching and learning everything I possibly can. If I get a chance to get her out through this critical phase, then I’m going to do whatever it takes to get her back.”

And that was the commitment that I made to her, that I would never leave her, that I would always be there for her – that I would do whatever it takes to get her back.

And after this three weeks she came out of the coma – they’d done an amazing job these doctors – and she’d stabilized, but she had massive brain damage. So, she had hardly any higher function left. She had no ability to control any bodily functions. She had a couple of words – that was that was it. She had no idea who she was. She had no memory… she didn’t know who I was.

She was basically a baby in a woman’s body. We took her back to new Plymouth, our local hospital and then they had her in there for three months rehabilitation… and in this time they said, “look, there’s just nothing for us to work with. She’s not improving, she’s never going to have any sort of quality of life again. We’re going to have to put her into an institution, and 24/7 around the clock care.”

And, in this time, I had done a lot of racing at altitude in the Himalayas. And I’d had altitude sickness before.

And I was seeing in her symptoms of oxygen deprivation. She had infections in her mouth, she had all this… And so, I said to the doctors, “I think she’s got sleep apnea. I don’t think she’s breathing at night.”

And of course, she was sleeping 20-odd hours a day… and the doctor said to me, “ah, we don’t need that. That’s not true.” And so, I went and I brought an outside consultant in – which was against hospital rules – but we snuck him in in the night.

We did this sleep assessment, and it came back that she had severe sleep apnea. She was Cheyne stop breathing – in other words, she was on her way out. She had 70% oxygen stats, at the worst point in the night – which meant that she was just killing off what remaining brain cells she had when she was asleep. Because she wasn’t breathing.

So that was my very first win. And then I thought, “okay, what else can I work out that the doctors haven’t worked out? And what else is out there?”

And I came across something called hyperbaric oxygen therapy which – for those looking – is what’s in the background there.

Mark: Quite familiar with that.

Lisa: Yeah. Very, very powerful therapy. And I studied Dr Hatch’s books in America, and realized that for brain injury this was massively powerful. Now this is not accepted here for brain injury, but I decided I’m going to get her this…

So, I came across a commercial dive company that had one of these in our town. And I approached them and said, “can I use your chamber. Here’s my research, here’s my situation…”

And these incredible people said, “yeah, you can do that.”

So as soon as I got her out of hospital – which was three months later – and I had a hell of a battle to get her home – because they wanted to put her in an institution. And I ended up having to take my big brother with me, who looks like “the rock,” and we finally got the resources we needed to take her home.

Mark: (laughing) amazing. A little bit of external influence…

Lisa: Sometimes it’s required. Words weren’t getting through to these guys.

So, I eventually managed to get her home… I took her straight down into this factory setting – you can imagine, this big hyperbaric chamber – which looks like a big LPG cylinder.

And we stick her on a forklift, and we stick her into this chamber. And we do an hour and a half session five days a week, for the first month. And everyone thinks I’m completely bonkers. But I’m like, “this is the only thing on offer here for this sort of a brain injury. And I’m doing it.”

And after 33 treatments this chamber had to be taken off on a contract, and I lost access to it. But I was seeing that she was starting to improve… she was starting to try to talk, she was moving her hand… she was trying to communicate. I could just see her trying.

So, she wasn’t getting up and walking, but it was working. So, then I lost the chamber, “okay, obstacle. What do I do?”

I mortgage the house – I buy a hyperbaric chamber – I installed it in my house – which is what we got in the background – which was not easy to do and it was quite hard to organize and so on.

But then I was like, “okay, this is working.” So, then I put her through session after session, and we did a protocol of 40 in a block and we’d have a month off. And as she started to wake up and come back, then I studied everything else.

I studied epigenetics and gene testing – I studied diet – I put her on a keto diet. I studied nootropics, I studied functional neurology, I studied every aspect of brain rehabilitation that you can possibly do.

And I stayed one step ahead of her and her progress. And it took me like 18 months just to teach her, for example, to roll over and bend – that’s how glacially slow some of this was. She had no vestibular system, so she had no balance – she didn’t even know how to sit without collapsing to the side. So, I had to teach her in the mirror to sit straight and try to get her brain to recalibrate… so a lot of functional neurology was involved in that.

It took me about a year and a half to for her to take her very first steps in between parallel bars. And she started to take these tiny, tiny steps. And then I knew I had her – I knew we were coming back.

And I put her through an eight-hour program every day that I developed. And I spent a ton of money, and a ton of resources and just searched every expert there was on the planet on neuroplasticity, and all of this. And I read everything…

And I was just obsessed… at this point, I’d stopped running for obvious reasons, because it was just taking up everything… still running my two companies and trying to do that at night time and look after her all day.

Long story short – my mum is now fully recovered. It took me two and a half years to get her back to full health.

She’s now 79 years old. She has a full driver’s license; she has her full power of attorney back… she has complete control over her life again. And there is no sign of her injury.

Mark: No kidding? So, she’s committed – does she have her memory back?

Lisa: Full, yeah… she’s missing a year… of the first year of that time after the aneurysm… but she has basically everything else back. So, yeah.

Mark: That’s an incredible story.



Mark: It’s just I’ve heard this so many times in different ways, different things – cancer, there’s no hope, right? And someone says, “yeah, there’s hope. We’re going to do this.” And researching and diet and functional medicine and hyperbaric treatments – it’s incredible the power of the human body to heal. With intention.

But you’ve got to have hope, faith, intention, desire, incredible discipline to do it. And patience as well, right? This is a five-year journey for you, right?

Lisa: Yeah, yeah. Five and a half years… had her at the gym yesterday and occasionally I lose my shit, because it’s like when you’re retraining someone’s neural pathways, it’s the most mind-numbing, repetitive… like, I could teach her for hours and hours and hours the same thing. And then the next day she can’t do it again, right? Like, it just blows your mind.

And so occasionally I lose it… (laughing) like, “oh, for god’s sake mum. Like come on!” And then I catch myself and think stop being a dickhead. And there’s some little things that we’re still working on.

Like she lost all of her flexibility – so getting up and off the ground and things like that I’m still working on the aspects like that…

Mark: Have her doing yoga every day?

Lisa: Yes, I do yoga with her. But it’s very basic – because she can’t do a lot of things. We still can’t tip her upside down or anything. Her head doesn’t like being out of balance. So, there’s some little things that are still there, but she has this full life again.

So, the book that I’ve written is called “Relentless: How A Mother and Daughter Defied The Odds.” I wrote it because I wanted to empower other people going through journeys – so I don’t care whether it’s a cancer journey or a health journey or a… you’re an athlete…

It’s all about the mindset. And I had to dedicate everything to bringing her back, but this is my mum – like, whatever it takes… I don’t care. I don’t care if I lose my house, my car, my… everything. If I can get my mum back, that’s all that mattered.

And that was that attitude of going all in, because a lot of the people that I work with – because I work now with a lot of people going for rehab journeys – is they don’t go all in. They go in…

Mark: One foot in there and one foot in the traditional medicine. Believing the doctors who say there’s no hope…

Lisa: Yeah. And you’re gonna die of cancer or you… and we’re all going to die at some point, yeah. But my attitude – I’m a fighter, I’m a warrior, I’m a person who like… I don’t give up. And I won’t give up until my last breath. And that’s the way I see life, and that’s the way I approach life.

And unfortunately, I had a dreadful situation just eight months ago with my dad, who I lost…

Mark: I’m sorry…

Lisa: But I fought for him like we were in the hospital setting. He had a massive aneurysm in the stomach, which is a big blow-out of the main artery in here. They’d done this incredible surgery – they didn’t think that he would survive even to the hospital – but my dad was one tough man. And even though he was 81 years old, he hung on.

Like, he had no brachial pulse for an hour and a half and he was still talking to me – I mean, that’s how tough my dad was. He survived this massive operation – 28 units of blood and all this.

And he came through that. And looked like we were we had him and he was on his way back and we were just like, “unbelievable.”

And then on day 3, he started to develop sepsis. And I started to fight for him to get intravenous vitamin C, because of my research, and so I fought against the system.

And they had no other answers for us. We’d run out of options. From their point of view, he was dying, and they would not let me do intravenous vitamin C. Which I had all the clinical studies to show that in sepsis, they really have massive results with vitamin C. And I came up against a brick wall of bureaucracy.

And I took on this legal system, I took on the ethics committee – while I’m standing at my dad’s bedside 18-20 hours a day – protecting him, advocating for him, trying to stop them putting excessive drugs into him. And fighting for vitamin C, in his case, to just have the chance to give him a chance.

It took me 15 days of battling and keeping him on life support – and they finally relented and let me do the vitamin C. And the very first one that we got into him – and by now he had multiple organ failure and it was too late.

But the very first one, it actually turned his white blood cell count around, his kidney function improved, we got him off noradrenaline… they were like, “whoa.”

But then they stopped me doing the seconds… you need it every six hours ideally… and it took me 18 hours to get the second one. And 18 hours of fighting them every time to get into the next session.

And so, of course, he died two days later – they were forcing me to take him off life support… but I fought with everything I had. And my dad died with an intravenous going into his veins, because that’s who I am. And that’s who he was. He was not…

Like, when he was lucid in the moments when he was lucid, I was like “dad, do you want me to keep fighting?”

And he just was like “yes.” Like he was intubated, so he could only nod, but he was like “yeah, I want to keep fighting.” And so, I fought for him until the very last minute.

And I haven’t shared that story yet, Mark, because it’s been too emotional as you can imagine. And I don’t know what to do with it.

But I’m determined that even though I lost my precious father, his legacy will be that I’m going to fight for people to have access to things like that, in that setting. And I’m going to turn this into a positive.

Because this needs to change. And our system needs to change…

Mark: Our system is barbaric. And with all due respect to the well-intentioned doctors out there – and many of them would agree with me – it’s like the biggest cause of death is this bureaucratic and ancient sickness health system, that we consider to be so freaking modern.

It’s insane that they wouldn’t let you give your dad vitamin C. That’s insane. I mean, that’s like rubber room stupid.

Lisa: Yeah.

Mark: Anyways, I gotta share something – this is for both you and the listeners, along these veins – but I’m part of this networking group, and we had a visitor last time I was there. And I don’t know how this topic came up, but someone mentioned that they were going in for a colonoscopy or something like that and that found some polyps, and now he’s scared, right? Because he’s gonna have to go get those cut out.

And this guy said, “listen… of course, you have a right to be scared, this is real… but this is what happened to me… I went and had a colonoscopy and they found like 12 polyps. And they were like advanced.”

And he said, “they wanted to go right away and cut the colon out. And give them chemotherapy, and do the whole thing.”

And they didn’t give him much chance of living, because he had cancer – he had colon cancer…

And it just so happens that this guy travels to China like every month… he’s a pretty wealthy guy… he’s got multiple businesses over there and so… I don’t know if China he was over there or maybe he contacted one of his Chinese friends…

Was a doctor, and the doctor said, “do not do that. Come over here. I’ll see what I can do.”

So, he went to China and this doctor did this procedure and he wouldn’t tell him what he was doing until afterwards, right? Because he didn’t want him to get any false hopes or anything like that.

And about a month later, he’s back in the United States, he went to the next checkup and the doctors were just floored, because all the lesions were gone.

Lisa: Wow.

Mark: Everything was gone.

Lisa: And what did he do?

Mark: Well, he did stem cell therapy – but he did a type of therapy that’s illegal in the west – because they did a genetic match… and they found that if you if you can find a minimum 40% genetic match in a human fetus and you use those stem cells, then it can cure cancer like this.

Lisa: Wow.

Mark: But it’s illegal to do in the west.

Lisa: There’s many things that are either illegal or put down or… and things like hyperbaric, things like intravenous vitamin C. And many, many others…

Mark: I get acupuncture twice a week. And I pay for it, cash. Because insurance doesn’t pay for it. But acupuncture is an extraordinary, ancient tool to harmonize and balance your nervous system and your entire internal homeostasis. And improve your immune system, right?

And I had acupuncturists just healing people from covid – just with acupuncture and with herbs. Isn’t that fascinating?

Lisa: Oh god, don’t say that, Mark. You’ll get taken off the air…

Mark: Oh, I know. I’ll get cancelled, right? So yeah, we got a lot of work… oh, and same thing with hyperbaric treatment – like, you’re kidding me. Like, this is now known. Like we’re using hyperbaric here in this country for healing brain trauma – TBI…

So, people have the money or who have a special case like a vet – you can get a charity to pay for it now. But there’s like one hyperbaric chamber per coast or something like that.

And so, you have to buy your own basically. And so now there’s a company – and I actually looked into it, and maybe it’s the same one you have – where I can rent or buy one – I think it costs like 18 grand or 20 grand. It’s a lot of money for a lot of people…

And I don’t have… I’m not like a horrible case, but I look at this from the standpoint of peak performances and longevity, which I know that all the research you did for your mom and dad also have direct implications for peak performance and longevity. And so, I think by the end of this year or even next year, I’ll have a hyperbaric chamber here in my office. I’ve got my sauna – hot/cold treatment…

I’ve got the nootropics – I noticed on your website that you promote NMN and some other supplements for longevity, so I’m taking it…

Lisa: “Lifespan.”

Mark: Yeah, “Lifespan” is a great book. And so, I learned about that. I take so those same supplements that Dr Sinclair was talking about he and his dad taking – resveratrol, NMN, metformin…

Lisa: I’ve got one for you. It called spermidine. I have to tell you about that, it’s another brilliant one that you want to add to your regime…

Mark: How do we spell it?

Lisa: Like the word “sperm.” (laughing) it sounds terrible…

Mark: (laughing) I’m starting to get a sense for where this comes from…

Lisa: Well, no… it’s present in sperm – that’s where it got its name – but it’s actually present in lots of things… and it’s actually a wheat germ extract…

But very, very powerful for anti-aging. You actually have a company over there that gets it – and I also can hook you up with the hyperbaric chambers. So yeah, we need to talk on that front.

But like my home… and I’m not super wealthy or anything – but I prioritize health – so my house is full of biohacking gadgets and machines…

Mark: Just for the listeners – because I’ve shared some of the things that I do many times – what is your like protocol for health, longevity, biohacking… you could summarize it…

Lisa: Yeah, in two minutes… I’ll tell you the stuff that I have, and maybe a bit about my morning routine and things like that.

So yeah, hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I get in there at least three times a week. Mom’s still having her treatments, my whole family uses that… brain injury very, very powerful, very, very good for longevity – produces more stem cells, is anti-inflammatory – gets through the blood-brain barrier – hyper-oxygenates the body – that’s hyperbaric. Brilliant.

Then I have like ozone – an ozone machine – so I do ozone which is o3 which is again another of the oxidative therapies, that are all using oxygen to basically do what they do.

Mark: Is that just like a breathing device? Or what is that?

Lisa: So, no you don’t breathe ozone. Ozone is damaging to lung tissue.

There is – and if you get it with a doctor – they take your blood out, they put ozone into it, they put your blood back in. And then they do something called Ten Pass therapy, which is the extreme version of that, where you get a heck of a lot of ozone.

It’s an antiseptic. Basically, it goes in and kills the viruses… very powerful for that. I’ve done three episodes on my podcast, if anyone wants to dive deep into ozone – but, I have a home machine so that’s air insufflation – that’s rectal insufflation, that’s vaginal insufflation… that’s for healing of wounds…

Like, if you cut your arm, you put a bag over your arm and your pump ozone into the bag and it will heal twice as fast as if you didn’t do that… so very powerful.

Then I have an infrared sauna. I have vibration plates. I have a nebulizer with 3% hydrogen peroxide which is my first aid kit if we ever got exposed to covid or any respiratory viruses – that will kill it in the tract very quickly.

Then I have my NMN with my resveratrol every morning. So, I take a gram and a half… I’ll tell you an interesting fact – I’ve been on NMN for seven months – so my mom’s had 12 kilograms of weight loss, because it up regulates the metabolic pathways. I’ve had 4 kilos of weight loss… and I wasn’t overweight to begin with, and that’s without muscle loss.

It’s reversed my menopause. I was going through menopause – too much information people – but it’s reversed…

Mark: No, but it’s interesting you said that because that’s something that David Sinclair… I’m trying to get him on my podcast… he wrote “Lifespan.” He’s worked with some people with that protocol – NMN, resveratrol, quercetin and metformin and some women in their 60s have basically gotten pregnant.

Lisa: Wow. Yeah, I mean my husband and I have been trying to have a baby for years and we lost our baby son two years ago… he died just after a couple of hours – he had spina bifida – so we’ve been through the freaking ringer.

But so, we’re still trying… So, I’m about to go through IVF. So, I’ve been on NMN and metformin – NMN on a high dose so that I can maybe do it myself and we’ve definitely reversed menopause I haven’t gotten pregnant yet, but we’re still working on that.

And yeah, there’s a lot of anecdotal evidence around that. And that it’s actually creating new eggs, which is really controversial – I’m on metformin, I’m on cold pressed olive oil which also up-regulates that suit one gene – anything that’s gonna help autophagy…

Intermittent fasting when I can be disciplined enough. And exercise, of course. And sauna so heat/cold therapies, breathing therapies, breathing exercises…

So that’s my sort of daily routine, if you like. Includes all of those… all of the above or one… I don’t do hyperbaric every day, but probably every third day…

Mark: How long do you do the hyperbaric? 45 minutes?

Lisa: An hour and a half is ideal, but usually for me it’s about an hour, because that’s all I can manage…

Mark: And can you like read a book? Or do you have to like just sit there and kind of breathe and meditate?

Lisa: No, I listen to your podcasts in there.

Mark: Awesome.

Lisa: Yeah.

Mark: When I get in my chamber, I’ll listen to your podcast in my chamber…

Lisa: Excellent. That would be awesome.



Lisa: Yeah, now there’s so much we can do people, and the message that I want to get across is be preventative – educate yourself – when you are aware of the things that are out there, then you suddenly become empowered to help your loved ones, to help yourself, to help your friends…

And I know I’m a pain in the ass to my friends, because I’m going around talking “well did you know about this? Oh, you’ve got that. Well, you have to take this.”

And you can see their eyes glaze over. But it’s good to have that knowledge when you need it. Hormones I think are a thing – just briefly touching – hormones are a really important thing. Especially for guys, just as much as for women. And keeping our hormones at optimal levels, you need to be under a good doctor to do that.

But there are some good doctors in the states that that do hormone replacement carefully and safely.

Mark: I’ve been doing that and I can attest to the power of that. And I’ll be doing a podcast with my doctor – Dr Gabriel Lyons – soon. She’s like a concierge doctor – she works with a lot of seals… has really helped people with a lot of… like, believe it or not, most seals, most spec ops folks have TBI and because of that, most of them suffer from sleep apnea.

And I just got tested for sleep apnea, they said, “sure enough. You got moderate sleep apnea.”

I’m like, “you’re kidding! Who knew?”

Lisa: Wow. And so fit and not overweight and all those things…

Mark: No, no. I don’t have any of the symptoms, but it’s somehow the way the brain is working. I pretty much don’t want to do their traditional treatment of basically having that breathing apparatus at night. So, I’m thinking hyperbaric is the way to go. I want to be proactive and just heal that… whatever that is…

Lisa: Absolutely. Get as many sessions back-to-back in a close block that you can. And then the other thing – there’s a pillow called the Patney pillow – I had them on my podcast recently, and I’ve got it for my mum and my husband – that if you don’t want to go to sleep apnea route and the full CPAP machine – then this pillow is revolutionary.

And stops snoring. And it works…

Mark: What’s it called? My wife will be your best friend.

Lisa: Patney pillow. I’ll send you the link over in an email. It’s actually a New Zealand company. Francis Anderson was on my show a few weeks ago.

And that’s if you don’t want to go the full sleep apnea route, because that’s pretty invasive – then this is what I would try. And it’s a pillow that holds you in the right position, opens up your chest and just opens up those airways a little bit better basically.

So that combined with the hyperbaric, and you’ll need probably 80 plus treatments. So, you need to get your own one if you can. And for longevity and stem cell production and all of the anti-aging stuff, it’s something you want to have in your bedroom…

Mark: Everybody listening – this is real, this is serious stuff if you want to have a long healthy life. And also, the way I look at this – and I’m not the only one thinking this way – our friend Dave Asprey is like on a mission to live to 185 or whatever it is…

Technology is coming, but we’ve got to live to benefit from it, right? There’s technologies coming that will reverse aging… not just help us live longer, better – which is the key for Dr Sinclair and myself and you share this – it doesn’t matter if you live to 150 if you’re all broken down and in a nursing home.

It’s not life extension just because – it’s quality of life extension. And I want to be doing yoga and cranking out SEALFIT workouts when I’m 100 or 110. I probably won’t be moving as much weight, but I’ll be training, and I’ll be productive, right?

So yeah, health-span, exactly. So, everything that we’ve talked about. I love this how you’ve taken this adversity of your mom and then your dad, and you fought like hell for him and really sorry that that didn’t work out.

But you’re turning the lemons from that experience into lemonade by now using all the lessons to fight the bureaucracies to change, especially for people who don’t have the resources that you and I have, or the capability to access these things.

But this is the beauty of the ability to reach people through podcasts, right? To reach a lot of people, because right now we’re educating 25 to 50 thousand people, who may or may not know some of these things.

And I tell you what. Some of them are furiously taking notes. Like, “okay, I’m getting that. I need to be doing my intermittent fasting. I need to get that sauna – I’ve been thinking about doing it.”

You know what I mean – I’ve never heard that you could buy your own hyperbaric or rent your own hyperbaric chamber.

But wow, why not? Right? If you love, and you’ve got an important mission in life and you’re experiencing growth and healing, then give yourself as much time to grow as much and heal as much and to serve as much.

And guess what? You may not have to repeat the whole show. (laughing) you just might find enlightenment this time around.

Lisa: And yeah, there is just so much out there. And this is my passion now, this is what I do. Is I spend four or five hours a day deep in study – I’m considering doing a PhD, but then I’m thinking like I just want to be too broad really for a PhD.

And I think it’s really, really important that people just take this to heart. There is things coming down the line that is going to absolutely reverse aging. But you’ve got to keep your body together until that point. And that may be 10 years away or so.

Mark: Yeah, so the 20-year-olds are all laughing all the way to the bank. They’re thinking “yeah, it’s coming in my lifetime.”

But if you’re above 50, you got to work overtime to keep your body youthful and healthy if you ever want to take advantage of some of these things. Which are going to come – like 2030, we’re going to start seeing some of the more innovative reverse aging is what I hear. The next couple decades.

Wow, we could talk forever…

Lisa: We could talk for another two hours… I think we should probably talk privately on a couple of things that I want to put you on to…

Mark: Yeah, let’s do that…

Lisa: Yeah – a couple of doctors too, that are over your way, that I’d really recommend you get on the show and stuff.

Mark: Well, let’s have a follow-up phone call, or drop me an email and let me know the best way to communicate. And, wow, thank you, Lisa.

So, your podcast is “pushing the limits,” and…

Lisa: Come and listen to that, guys.

Mark: Yeah, I think there’s gonna be some fantastic information thanks for doing that.

And, what’s next? Are you gonna write another book soon? Or what’s next for you, in terms of big projects? Besides all what we talked about?

Lisa: Yeah, for me it’s about growing… and so business development right now is in a big growth phase, and I want to have a bigger impact – I’m like you I want to have a massive, exponential impact on the world with the learnings and the stories…

So, building that up. And getting the word out there. Getting this book out there. “Relentless.” Because I want people to be empowered to understand that they’re not powerless when they get given a diagnosis like this.

And yeah, considering a PhD or something like that. I’m just trying to decide whether I can discipline myself in one direction.

Mark: That’s so funny. We have so much in common. I literally just enrolled or applied for a doctorate.

Lisa: Really?

Mark: Yeah. Because I have a… like, the only thing I haven’t finished in my life is a doctorate. I was in a PhD program in leadership, and then I got recalled to war. 2004.

Lisa: Oh wow. It’s a good reason…

Mark: It was a good reason, right? There’s no guilt or anything around not finishing… I made the distinct decision not to finish for good reasons – for my family, and to go into business to teach leadership, and that’s exactly what I do now.

But it’s just been like niggling at the back of my mind for the last couple years. And so, I finally said, “screw it. I’m going to do it.” I need another challenge, anyways. So, I’ll be starting this fall.

Lisa: Wow, that’s amazing. And I think that’s a good role model for me, because the thing is with the PhD program is that you are going to be sacrificing some of the other learnings…

Mark: That’s right.

Lisa: That’s the big question that you have to sort of weigh up in your head and your life situation.

Mark: And the timing’s got to be right, right? For me the timing wasn’t right – I had to get my businesses to a place where I wasn’t involved in the day-to-day operations. And so that’s where you would need to go.

Lisa: I’m still in the weeds. So yeah, we need to get to that point. And think before I take it on.

And then you’ve got to consider your family and things like that.

Mark: Yeah.

Do you have like a centralized website? Your website is your name, right?

Lisa: Yeah, So houses all my programs and courses and I do epigenetic testing and gene testing and things like that. And health optimization coaching.

So, you can reach me there. My books, “Running Hot,” “Running to Extremes,” and “Relentless.” And my podcast is “Pushing the Limits” and I’m everywhere @lisatamati on Instagram and all those sort of good things. I appreciate that, Mark.

Mark: Yeah Lisa, thanks you’ve been tremendous. I really honor your mindset, your non-quitting spirit and your contribution. And so, keep it up and I’m here to do anything I can to support you. And together we’ll help a lot of people and day by day in every way, we’ll make the world better.

Lisa: Absolutely. And you and your podcast and your books have been a part of my life for the last four years. So, it’s been an absolute honor to be on your show today, Mark. Thank you so much.

Mark: Hooyah. We’ll talk soon.

Lisa: Awesome.

Mark: All right, folks. Lisa Tamati. What an incredible woman. Go support her. Check out her podcast – “Pushing the Limits.” If you have anyone suffering the way her mom suffered, or anything and you want some motivation – “Relentless,” check out the book.

And you heard some amazing tips on longevity and health optimization. So why not dive in? And make it a part of your life? So that you too can be relentless, and you too can be unbeatable.

Till next time, this is your host.

Divine out.

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