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“And I think a funny thing about human beings is we all have egos. We sure as hell try to get away from it. I think if we own it… I think that paradoxically makes our ego less dominant over us.”–JP Sears
Mark talks to the one and only Ultra Spiritual JP Sears (@JP Sears). He’s a YouTube sensation with over a 100 million hits with his videos where he humorously pokes fun at ways that spiritual is often used in a egotistical way. While JP’s work is humorous and comedic, it also has a serious goal. He struggled himself with the way that ego tried to take over his own spiritual journey. Commander Divine is a fan of the videos, and he and JP talk about the value of humor as a communication tool and the importance of separating spirituality from ego. Plus, we have some laughs along the way.
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Transcript & Shownotes
Hey folks. Commander Mark Divine coming back at you with the Unbeatable Mind podcast. Thanks so much for joining me again this week. Holy Cow. I can’t believe you keep doing that. Wow, we must be doing something right here.
Hey listen, you probably heard me say this before, and you might be getting tired of me saying it, but… if you like the podcast then go to iTunes and rate it. And start on the right side, it’s five stars. If you start on the right side it clicks all 5, so you don’t have to wonder whether you’re going to give me a 4 or a 3. Just go ahead and click the 5 stars, and that’ll be just fine.
And that’ll help other people find us, and my unstated goal–now stated a few times–is to rank higher than Tim Ferris. I think that’d be kind of cool. Hooyah.
Tim some day’s going to call me and be like, “What’s up with all that?”
At any rate, I am super-excited to have as a guest today, a guy–I’m kinda bummed he doesn’t live in Encinitas anymore. But he used to live here in Encinitas.
Gosh, I’m not going to read your bio JP, I’m just gonna let you tell us about yourself. But it’s JP Sears. And you might have stumbled across some of his videos. After this podcast you will need to go stumble across his videos on YouTube which is one of the ways that he likes to communicate with the world. But JP, I’ll let you kind of do a little introduction, and it’ll get pretty clear who you are when we talk. But I’m super-stoked to have you on the show. Thanks so much for your time.
JP Sears: For sure, brother. I’m so happy to be here with you. Because I’m fully narcissistic today, I’ll just take 2 or 3 hours to tell everybody about myself.
JP: I’m humble. I don’t like to talk about myself much. In fact, I’m the most humble person I know. But yeah, the gist of what I do… ultimately the heart and soul of what I do is I help people to help themselves find more meaning in their lives, and heal and grow past their wounds and blockages. And the more well-known way that I’ve been doing that past couple of years, is my “Ultra-Spiritual” videos where I’m sharing my perspective through the language of humor through those videos. Ultimately broadcasting some of the scar tissue of the psyche that I think a lot of us carry and inviting people to liberate themselves from their version of it.
And then additionally, for the past 15 years I’ve had an emotional healing client coaching practice. And done a lot of teaching of classes, workshops, retreats. Performing, speaking all that stuff to make my ego feel good about itself.
Mark: (laughing) I love that.
You’ve also got a book which is basically the same or similar title to your podcast, right? “How to be ultra-spiritual.” So I just wanted to contextualize this for you listeners… Maybe you could even do this if you’re not driving. I wouldn’t recommend doing this if you’re driving. But search YouTube for “how to be ultra spiritual.” And one of the more popular videos that you have–and I actually watched this a little while ago, and I was in stitches, is “if meat-eaters acted like vegans.” And so what I’m curious about here…The meat and potatoes of what we’ll talk about here is emotional development, because that’s near and dear to our training philosophy as we were just discussing.
But how do you see humor and… Like, when I watch your videos… pretty much you say everything… it’s like upside down day. Everything you say is exactly opposite of the reality. But in saying it, you’re actually pointing out a lot of truths, which is fascinating. I love that.
So how do you see those helping, and how did you come about being a comedian in this kind of really unique way? Just kind of dishing on spiritual egoism and whatnot?
JP: Yeah, well I really appreciate the question. I think… and I’m biased. My videos, are they intended to be comedic and entertaining? Yes. And do they also have the intention of delivering a deeper message to actually impact and make a difference on a person’s life? Yes. But of course I’m biased, so that’s just my point of view.
And how the videos came about is I needed them for my own therapy. This spiritual egoism… egotism… I don’t even know how to speak English too well. But the egotistical nature that’s involved in spirituality. Man, I was getting swallowed up by it.
And I’m not going to say, “Well, it was irritating me. Other people were doing it.” Yeah, other people were doing it, but I was doing it. I was living right here in the Mecca of it all. Encinitas, I was there for 10 years. And I started to really look at myself and check myself and think, like, “I am really having an egotistical drive behind a lot of things that I’m calling spiritual.” And I think a funny thing about human beings is we all have egos. And wherever we go…
Mark: You can’t get away from it.
JP: (laughing) We sure as hell try to get away from it. I think if we own it–say “Yup, I’ve got an ego. Wherever I go, my ego’s going to try to gratify itself.”
I think that paradoxically makes our ego less dominant over us. But I think when we try to hide it, repress it–it get’s misdirected. And what we resist, persists. So the persistence of our ego’s insatiable appetite to gratify itself–it persists but there we are, eyes wide shut, blind to it because we’ve sold ourselves a story of “Yeah, I’m spiritual. What I’m doing is not egotistical, it’s spiritual, because my ego is calling it spiritual.”
So the humor part of it… to me humor is a magical energy. It’s not the only energy, but it’s a magical way to communicate points of view. You know, if I came up to anyone of you lovely listeners and told you what’s true for you, “You need to consider this, and you’re doing this wrong. And this belief of your is crap, it’s not serving you anymore.” There’s a decent chance your defenses are going to be up, and in your mind, you’re calling me a self-righteous jerk. And you’re not even going to consider what I have to say because the way I’m delivering the message… it’s too abrasive, it’s too combative…
Mark: So people are just going to push back. Say “Well, who are you to tell me what’s right and what’s wrong for me.”
JP: Oh man, it’s how we maintain our center for gravity in our psyche. It’s like if you came up to me Mark, and you started to push on my chest, naturally I’m going to resist. Cause my psyche and my physiology says losing my balance is kind of like a threat. I don’t want to fall over and hit my head.
But when we deliver this same message through the language of humor, it’s more playful, not combative. It’s more of a feminine energy, rather than a masculine, pushing energy. So there’s something magical about how we’re willing to consider… when we let the message penetrate more. Not for the sake of brain-washing ourselves, but for the sake of actually considering “What is this message? Is there a part of me in that, or not?”
But anyway, to me that’s part of the beauty of humor.
Mark: So, I completely agree with you. Cause it creates an opening for more engagement as opposed to pushing back. I love relating it to yin or feminine energy. Just so that we… I’m not sure you’re prepared to do this, but knowing how spontaneous…
JP: I’m nervous already, Mark. I know who I’m talking to.
Mark: I’m not intimidating you into doing this, but you probably have… with some of your… or maybe even your recent videos you probably have a good dialogue in your head. Can you give the listeners just a sample? Pretend I’m not here, just give them a sample of some of the “teachings” that you present in your “How to be Ultra-spiritual” YouTube.
JP: Oh, yeah. Absolutely. You know some of the ways to be ultra=spiritual is through competitive spirituality. And an important way to be competitive, increase your potential, is to insult people for not being very conscious. I think it take a very conscious person to recognize and belittle someone who’s not very conscious.
And then, you know, out-whispering people is very important because if someone speaks with authority or a big tone of voice, obviously that’s not spiritual, so we need to be more precious than the next guy. And we need to just treat each other as if we’re delicate, fragile creatures obviously.
And then I think, it’s also important… I know you and I are both big on intuition… but I think it’s also important to pretend to be intuitive. When I see someone come up on my caller ID I answer the phone and let them know, “Hey, Mark, I knew you were gonna call. I knew it was you.”
So it’s important to mask our logical faculties as intuitive at all times.
And by the way, lastly, what I’ll say for now. And we could go on for 6 or 7 more lifetimes. But I think it’s also important, any time we meditate, or do yoga, it’s so important to post on social media about it. If you do a meditation session, and you don’t post a status update about it, did that meditation session really happen? No it didn’t.
Mark: (laughing) Oh man. I’m sorry, maybe I’m just a sap, but you just crack me up.
JP: (laughing) I love you for it.
Mark: I wonder how many people when they listen to your videos actually think that you’re serious. Do you get that? I’m sure you do.
JP: It was frightening. In the beginning… the first… I’ve been doing Ultra-spiritual videos for about 2 years now. And the first probably 4, 5, 6 months, it just amused me to no end-slash-frightened me a little bit, how… like I’d watch some of the comments and messages and people were actually thinking I was serious. Like, “these aren’t good spiritual practices.”So actually on some of the earlier videos, after the title of the video I’d put “Funny” in parentheses.
But now I think luckily they get enough exposure that people just know. And if someone can’t figure it out, it’s just their bad karma, if they need to think I’m being serious.
Mark: Yeah, that’s their problem. You can only help them so much.
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Have you always been a comedian? Have you done any comedic work prior to this? Like stand-up or anything like this?
JP: Nothing professional. But have I been a comedian in my private life? Yes. It’s a part of me; it’s not all of me. And I think like anyone else with a sense of humor with any degree of volume, my inner comedian started through pain. As a child, I didn’t know how the hell to deal with pain. I didn’t know how to process emotions. So when I felt insignificant inside, which was often. I mean, I dealt with my fair share of shame as a kid.
Mark: Bradshaw’s amazing, yeah.
JP: There’s a statistic he gives, he’s quoting someone else who I forget. But they suggest we have 20… The average person has 25,000 hours worth of shame exposure in their childhood. It’s like, “Holy Cow.” It’s… whether that’s accurate or not…maybe it’s too low, I don’t know. But…
So anyway, I dealt with my fair share of pain by not dealing with pain. So I would seek to escape it and compensate. So as insignificant as I’d feel on the inside, that’s how significant I would try to make myself on the outside. And I learned to use humor for that. So if I could make someone laugh, I’d feel like I mattered to them.
And if I felt like I mattered to them, then I felt significant for about 4 minutes. Now I gotta make someone else laugh. But because that became my modus operandi of co-dependently feeling significant as a child, I would learn to read people. I’d figure out really quick what’s going to make this person laugh. And so I think just along the way needing to sustain my emotional well-being–or at least compensate for lack of emotional well-being–I developed at least my version of a comedic style.
Mark: Now you are also a coach. In my show prep notes, you do emotional healing. I think that’s fascinating and obviously you and I share this belief that it’s a core need in our society to help people tap into their emotions and to heal from things like shame and guilt and anger and whatever. Most–if not all–related to some early childhood trauma that just flat-out exists, right? It’s part of the human experience. So I guess that was a long prelude to ask how did you get into the career of being an emotional coach. Tell us about that.
JP: Yeah, I was arrogant as hell. That was the 1st seed. So in my very early 20s, in fact I was probably 20, I’d been into health, fitness, nutrition for a little while. And then took some professional training and the exercise led me into really being interested in nutrition and lifestyle stuff. And from there, it really got me interested in the emotions. “What can that do for a person?”
So my interest initially was very arrogantly fueled as, “I wanna help other people heal their hearts, heal their emotions.” And then once I started working with legitimate mentors–ooo, I got humbled. And I quickly realized, wow, the reason why I’m so passionate about helping other people heal emotionally is I need it. I was purely projecting my deep, deep, deep need for it onto other people. And I thank God for that arrogant mindset because I didn’t know how to get to the humble mindset of learning to receive and do the inner healing that I was completely in denial of.
Because, of course, I was a real man. I never cry and I don’t get mad. I don’t have a temper. So I’m completely centered. No, I was mostly just numb and frozen. I was completely out of touch with my passion, therefore I never got angry. I never got upset because I was afraid of conflict. So it was a very fear-based mentality that I thought it very much meant I was centered and peaceful. And of course, that’s part of what gave me the material for the “ultra-spiritual” videos.
Mark: Yeah, you just described a good percentage of the male population.
JP: (laughing) Sorry guys.
Mark: (laughing) Scary, hunh? One thing that I’ve noticed–I’m married to a therapist. It’s no surprise to the listeners and that’s really been extraordinarily helpful for my own emotional development. Even though I would have not have characterized it like that 15 or 20 years ago, when I told my wife I was perfect and had the perfect childhood. And she just started laughing.
JP: (laughing) She didn’t believe you? She is so closed-minded.
Mark: (laughing) Exactly. Little did I know how right she was. But what I’ve noticed is a lot of people going into the healing professions… they go in because of… they feel this need for their own healing. But often they don’t do the work. They think that by being in the profession and helping others, it’s the same thing as doing the work on themselves. And that’s not true, is it?
JP: Yeah, I unfortunately I don’t think it’s true at all. One of my favorite authors… have you ever heard of him? He’s a Jungian analyst. His name is James Hollis.
Mark: No, I have not.
JP: Oh man, one of my favorite authors. His message is deep and beautiful and his writing style is just a work of art as well. But he… in some of his writing he talks about how people will become a therapist to escape their own healing.
Some people will become a preacher/priest, a spiritual leader to escape doing their own work. And I think… pardon my language, but I think what we all–including me. I need more of this. We all need to realize, I too am a human being and I shit out of my asshole. I’ve got my dirty, filthy stuff to deal with. I use the toilet–I close it, I flush it. The door’s closed. I pretend I don’t do it. But yeah, I’ve got the shitty part…
Mark: (laughing) Even the Dalai Lama has to get up in the morning and use the restroom and put on his underwear, you know? It’s true. We’re all humans just doing the best we can.
But back to… you found some mentors and you do the work. Let’s talk about both of those. Who were your mentors? How did they inspire you, and what work path that they put you on that helped you develop your emotional mountain so-to-speak?
JP: Yeah, there’s been 2 primary mentors. Many teachers along the way, but 2 primary mentors. The first was a guy named Paul Chek based right there in southern California. So when I was in my late teens, I started studying his early work in the field of holistic exercise, nutrition. And, you know, Paul’s a rough and tumble guy, very strong… so that connected to my young–really, quite honestly–immature, male psyche. Cause what else was there to value other than toughness, physical strength? No idea about the inner world.
So I got connected with Paul. He also has a very deep spiritual side, which once I got to know him, studying with him that he was an important, gluten-free breadcrumb on the breadcrumb trail.
Mark: He was an early proponent of integrated training. And I love Paul. In fact, I need to hook up with him. Maybe have him on the podcast.
JP: Yeah, he’s got a beautiful message so when I connected to the rough part of his message; it got me into the sensitive, deeper, inner realm. So that really ignited my fires. Like, “Hey, there is more to life than what my 5 senses convey.”
And then, along the way I got hooked up with a mentor named John McMullin. Runs an organization called “Journeys of Wisdom” and it’s very practical. I hesitate using the term “Spiritual” cause what does that actually mean, but it’s very practical, tangible, spiritual deep A emotional healing work.
And that dude, I think it was 1980, he had a car accident. Brutal. Out of body experience. Came back into his body. He was never the same. He was just connected to some unseen forces. He has wisdom and intuition that flows through him like no other. So for the past 13 years as well, I’ve been very blessed to have him.
Mark: He’s still teaching?
JP: Yeah. Yeah.
Mark: Okay. So what types of… you know, this is one of the challenges that I have. I mentioned earlier and all the listeners are familiar with the 5 mountains. Maybe not all, so I’ll briefly say it. The Unbeatable Mind philosophy is integrated development along the 5 mountains of physical, mental, emotional, intuitional and Kokoro spirit or heart spirit. And so it’s fairly simple to hand someone some physical and even some mental developmental tools. Like we have a lot of different methods of concentration and meditation and memory for mental. And then physical–you know, Paul Chek was all over that just like SEALfit. Here’s some kettle bells and here’s some burpees and go to town. Or take up yoga or something.
But, intuitive and spiritual, we even have some practices for that, from our religious traditions and yoga as well, from the different eastern traditions. But the emotional mountain, we kind of stutter a little bit and so what I recommend is getting an emotional coach. And what I’ve been calling therapists emotional coaches. So emotional coach, and things like EMDR and emotional focused therapy. And even some programs like Hoffman Institute or you know, I did something called “awakening seminar” with a guy named Jason Brody which is a spinoff of the Hoffman Institute. Those can be very useful. They’re all like seminary type things or require 3rd parties. Is there anything… I’m going off on a long thing, because I’m really curious for your perspective. Is there anything that we can do ourselves without the support of a coach, trainer, therapist or seminar to develop our emotional lives.
JP: Absolutely. I think truly… to sound ultra-spiritual here for a second… I think truly everything we need inside for emotional wellness, it’s already inside of us. So we have the resources. The work is connecting the resources to the parts of us that need them. And before I get practical, I will endorse the idea–and again, I’m biased cause I’m an emotional healing coach–I do think there’s a lot of value in having a coach for really any realm of life. Emotions would be one of them. We typically spend 12 to 20 years educating the hell out of our logical, left brain. And we tend to have next to no education for our emotional side. Our right brain. So a lot of us are dry sponges very eager to learn not only the basics, but a lot of the just beauty that can be instilled upon us by the emotional realm.
So “I know that I don’t know a lot,” is a great mentality to have with emotions. So I think one of the things we can all do right now, every damn day for the rest of our lives. That takes us into important healing realms and empowerment realms for our emotions, is feel our damn feelings.
you know, I think emotional wellness–if I could just state it in 1 sentence–it would be we feel what we’re feeling when we’re feeling it. So making deliberate space to feel our emotions. To accept our feelings even when they’re not what we want.
Mark: So I think a lot of people mistake emotional control as suppressing negative emotions. It’s something that I’ve been trying to teach people too, is that just makes it worse. It’s like you said earlier, what you focus on is going to grow. So if you’re focusing on that anger by suppressing that anger because you don’t think it’s good or helpful, then that anger is just going to go bottle back up to where it came from. And the anger really is… it represents some other issue, right? It’s transmuted to some other primordial issue that arose when you were too young to understand or to cognize what was going on.
And what you’re saying is to… if the energy comes up, to be more like a surfer and to ride it and just see where it goes. And to let it dissipate and to be aware of it and to be present with it. And what benefit does that bring us, do you think?
JP: Say that one more time, Mark?
Mark: And what benefit does that bring us when we’re able to do that?
JP: It makes us friends with our self, rather than us treating ourselves like a damn enemy. I mean, the self-preservation mentality that all of us have, says if something is uncomfortable then it’s bad for me. If something feels bad then it’s bad for me. Anger, guilt, grief, shame… those are all… None of us sit here and say, “Well I would really love to feel afraid. I’d love to feel ashamed.”
Mark: (laughing) I love guilt.
JP: Come on over, we’ll have a guilt party on Friday night. It’s just going to be a great time.
No those things feel bad, but from my delusional perspective, I don’t think uncomfortable emotions have ever hurt anybody. I think trying to escape uncomfortable emotions is what hurts people and really sabotages people’s lives, relationships, fitness, wellness. It’s the escape of the feelings rather than feeling them that can really do damage. So to me those are in a very general sense, some of the prime benefits.
And I will just say this. I mean, I listen to what we’re talking about and there’s always a skeptical part of me. Always looking for a way to justify going into denial of emotions, cause that’s my comfort zone.
So I’m not advocating that any one of us let our emotions dominate us all the time. If you’re angry out in public, I don’t think it’s a good idea to voice… to start screaming at people. If you wanna get locked up, if you wanna develop a reputation for a nut-job–and maybe you are–then let your emotions dominate you all the time. So we have a logical brain for a reason, so we can have appropriate discernment. Am I in a safe space to be 100% transparent and honest with this emotion? If I am–great. If I’m not–I need to circle back to it as soon as I can.
You know, I’m in airports often. And that’s a triggering experience for me, so not a very appropriate place for me to be honest with all of my emotions. So I have to go back and cleanse myself if you will.
Mark: I think part of emotional control and this is actually could be a good practice would be to experience the emotion, but control your reaction to it. So you could experience a full range of anger without making that someone else’s experience, you know what I mean? But that take a little bit of work. So how you control your facial muscles and whether you’re going to let yourself feel sad and also cry a mountain of tears… that I guess maybe that’s more of an advanced practice, because some people won’t have that control initially when they start to connect to their emotions.
JP: Well maybe. Whether it’s an advanced practice or something within reach now, it’s great North Star to aim for, I think. And just on that note my wise friend, one other tidbit comes to mind that I’d love to invite people to consider. Probably because I need to hear it, so I’m just going to project it onto everybody else. But another powerful basic of emotional empowerment is own it. Not only own your feeling, but own your interpretation of what’s happened.
Making ourselves into a victim I don’t think is ever given anybody an extraordinary life. And I think a trick of the trade of our ego is–our ego gets a huge dose of the illusion of power when we put ourselves into the powerless polarity of being a victim. It’s a sense of power through the polarity of powerlessness, so it’s very reactive for all of us to want to be a victim. Blame someone else. Create a reason why I’m upset, and it has nothing to do with me.
No. We all see our lives through our eyes. We interpret what happens through our faculties. And it’s our heart that generates our emotions. Nobody injected it into us, so I think passionate, ambitious ownership of our feelings and our perceptions is so important. And I think it’s room that we all have to grow in for the sake of empowering ourselves.
Mark: Absolutely. And you’re very intuitive by the way, because I was having a similar thought, but I was going to contextualize it in this context of how easy it is for people to develop an identity around the negative emotions.
The entire country music industry is around this sad, poor, broke, woe is me individuals. And there’s entire swaths of society that buy into that, and they’re in love with those negative emotions in a sense. They need them for their identity. And so what you’re saying is that’s not necessarily healthy, and that’s from… so they get power from their powerlessness. Fascinating.
JP: Yeah. And I think it’s a sense of power. The same way an alcoholic gets a sense of power through alcohol. Or a drug addict gets a sense of power through the drugs. It’s not true power; I think it’s the illusion of power. And I think it’s pretty interesting how in my opinion a part of all of us has a fear of true empowerment.
I look at the work you do, Mark, and I have a lot of admiration for what you do. And I imagine you threaten the hell out of a lot of people. Actually I’m guessing you don’t threaten people. I’m guessing people feel very threatened around you, because here you are, not only offering the tools of true empowerment physically, you’re a deep guy. Emotionally, intuitively and spiritually. So you’re offering unapologetic self-responsibility to people. I don’t think there’s anything else that will threaten people more than that.
You know, our dysfunctional mechanisms that we develop in childhood, that are so comfortable no matter how uncomfortable they are. There’s great comfort in the uncomfortability of them, because they’re all familiar. And here a guy like you comes along shining unapologetic self-empowerment. It’s like, “Whoa. My victimization’s not going to hold up here. Or me trying to give my power away to other people. Not going to hold up here because here’s a guy saying, ‘you have the power. Now do something with it or not.'” At many levels.
So I really admire the light you shine, and I hope a lot of people feel threatened by your work. And they walk into the threat of personal empowerment rather than trying to avoid it.
Mark: Well said, and thank you for that. We want people to engage the threat, just like the Navy SEAL heading toward the sound of gunfire. That’s where the learning is, that’s where the growth is.
JP: I’d imagine that’s why they call you guys “Special” Forces. Not reactive forces, not the mass herd forces. “Oh, gunfire? A threat? Let me go in the opposite direction.” It’s self-preservation that goes in the opposite direction, but I think self-realization, the “special” mentality is “We go towards the threat. Something we’re afraid of, we embrace it rather than putting as much distance between us and it.”
Mark: Fantastic. Awesome. So we really could go on for another 2 or 3 hours, but we’ve been at this for about 45 minutes already. So let’s tell folks… what is up next for you? What’s your big project? What’s your one thing? What are you working on now?
JP: I love the question. Makes me feel like I should be in control of my life. I’d say the biggest up next project will be my book launch. I’ve got my book called “How to Be Ultra Spiritual” coming out in the very near future. It’s already available on Amazon. I put my heart and soul into that. It was a beautiful experience to be a part of, to write it. It meant so much to me. So I’m excited to really get that out to the world.
Mark: “How to be Ultra Spiritual.” I can’t wait to see that.
JP: The official release date is March 7th, 2017.
Mark: Right. Remind me and we’ll help you promote that on our social media and so forth. So you can add New York Times bestseller to your egotistical checklist there.
JP: (laughing) How gratifying would that be to my ego? Ironically, coming through a book where I’m portraying all the egotistical, spiritual superiority stuff.
Mark: wouldn’t that be awesome. Okay, and so that and then how often do you release a video on your YouTube channel?
JP: Lately it’s been every 2 weeks, maybe every 3 weeks, just depending on my travel schedule. But coming here in the New Year, I’m going to be on a once a week basis so you can check me out on AwakenwithJP on YouTube, or Facebook. Or be sure to avoid those channels if you feel offended by me.
Mark: All right, JP. Thank you so much. JP Sears. Check JP’s stuff out on YouTube. I tell you what, you’re going to be in stitches. And if you’re not, then I’m not sure how I can help you because it’s very good stuff.
And we’ll support his book launch. “How to be Ultra Spiritual” coming out in March. JP, please, let’s find a time to visit us here at SEALfit before we move. Of course, that’s probably the first time I’ve said that publicly. But we’re moving in October of 2017. But it’d be fun to have you on the Grinder. And you can help me become ultra spiritual somehow. With a kettle bell.
JP: And I would love to haunt each other in person. Yeah, I have a deep admiration for what you do, Mark. I can’t wait for us to shake hands in person and talk shop.
Mark: I look forward to that. All right folks. That’s it. Thanks for your time today. Let’s thank JP. Wish him luck in everything that he does. I think we’ll be hearing more from him in the future.
And as usual, train hard, and stay focused, and do the work every day. Especially on that emotional mountain.
See you next time.
Coach Divine out.