Q and A with Mark Divine

“If you want to be forever young, then you have to have habits that will keep you forever young.”- Mark Divine

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In this new solocast, Commander Divine gives answers to questions coming directly from his Unbeatable Mind tribe.  Mark gets into the importance of thinking deeply so that you can make sure that you are “practicing” at doing the right things, and developing the right habits.

Other takeaways:

• To keep age out of your thought processes.
• Emotional and intuitional development are harder to see. One thing you can look at is your skills in communication.
• Competition needs to come from a world-centric perspective. Don’t focus on “win-lose,” but “co-opetition.”

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Transcript

Hi. This is Mark Divine with the Unbeatable Mind podcast. Thanks for joining me today. I’m gonna have a really interesting show, and it’s gonna be a solocast, so hope you’re up for that.

Before I really get into what we’re gonna talk about, I’d like to just let you know that on November 9th, six of us—and a lot of other folks who are you know joining the party–are doing a 24-hour quest to break the world-record for most number of burpees done by a mixed gender team of six.

I know. Every time I say that I kind of crack up. Like who knew that there was a world record?

Well, there is. We found out and we decided to go after it. So on November 9th we’re gonna do this at CrossFit 21:20 in Del Mar. Which is my friend Dan Miller’s place. Former SEALfit coach.

And then we’ve invited teams to join us, virtually. And kind of zoom in. So if you have gym or if you work at a gym if you just want to kind of join us for either the whole 24 hours or half of it. And contribute to our Burpees for Vets Challenge, then this whole initiative is to try to plus up our total.

We’re at about 12 million burpees. We’re shooting for 22 million. So on Veteran’s Day weekend we’re hoping to add a couple more million to that total. Because we will not rest until we’re done.

So our goal is 22,000 burpees between the six of us. Pretty sure we’re going to crush it. So we’ll see how that goes. Burpeesforvets.com. Check that out and support us if you can. Support the vets. It’s all going to a very important cause, because 22 veterans a day are committing suicide.

We want to do our part, so we’re suffering a little bit for those who suffered for us already.

Alright. Also our Unbeatable Mind summit is coming up. If you have not gotten in on that, then check it out at summit.unbeatablemind.com.

And if you use the code pod300 you can get $300 discount. But that’s coming up November 29 to December 2nd. It’s a really incredible event in Carlsbad, California. Three days of Fun in the Sun, with lots of Unbeatable Mind training.

Okay so I’ve been doing some solocasts. Gotten great feedback on them. Typically what I’ve done is read a draft chapter of a book I’ve been working on. I want to continue doing that, but not today.

I have gotten a lot of really great questions from our social media platforms and actually did a Facebook live Q&A session recently, and it was so much fun and the questions were so awesome, that I decided to kind of go over some of these questions. And we asked for more after that. And just kind of give you some perspective–or my perspective I guess–on some of these issues that are maybe keeping you awake at night or you just kind of curious about.

So why not get right into it, all right? And I don’t have any of this scripted so we’ll just see what comes up here.

First question is from my friend JC Glick. Actually JC is a former Ranger lieutenant-colonel. I just wrote a foreword for his book which is gonna come out next year, which I’m really excited about. All about warrior leadership, so we’re gonna have fun with that. I’ll do a podcast with him when we get ready for that and I think I did a podcast with him once before on leadership. I did, yeah…

Anyways, there you have it.

Practice Makes Permanent

03:54

JC’s question is: what are your thoughts on practice doesn’t make perfect? Practice makes permanent, so be careful. You can get really good at the wrong thing.

I think that’s awesome. I really like that. So let me start by just clarifying or thinking around some definitions.

So what is practice? Practice to me is any time that you do something repetitively in an effort to improve. And that could be a physical skill, like an athletic skill or, you know, for those of us in the military, or the warrior traditions or warrior arts, some sort of you know physical movement. Like a sword strike, or drawing and firing your weapon and that type of thing.

So there’s a repetitive nature to it. But there’s some also outcome right that you’re looking for. You’re looking to improve your skills. I almost said perfect–but I don’t know if that’s accurate.

Now perfection. What does it mean to be perfect? I think that a lot of people think that there is a perfect or flawless form of a movement. I think that’s not accurate. Because there’s so many variables involved and so many different ways to express a movement, or a character, or a skill–that there really isn’t any like singular way you can define perfection. In fact if you wanted to pan out and look at humanity.

In a human being–the human being is perfect as it is. We can just do things either really well or not so well. Or really poorly. And so that’s why we practice. We practice not to be perfect human beings, but to improve a skill. And get it to the highest level of refinement so that we achieve the outcomes we’re looking for right?

So back to the question JC asks–practice doesn’t makes perfect, but it makes permanent. Be careful what you get good at, or you try to get good at.

Yeah, I mean, I agree with JC. So to me this starts with all self-awareness and selecting the right things to get good at. And to make sure that we’re not inadvertently practicing the wrong things. Or things that we could get good at in the wrong direction.

So–like most things with Unbeatable Mind–it all starts with a deep self-awareness of who we are and what we’re meant to do. And then why. And then a narrowing down the selection of what it is that we’re going to really dominate and master in our lives. And then how we’re gonna do that right?

So back to the self-assessment. Who we are. And why do we do what we do. And what is it that we’re gonna spend our time and energy on in this lifetime.

Cause, you know, frankly it’s a one-shot deal. At least this go-around. And we can’t do everything, and you can’t be good at everything. So you know it makes sense to get really, really narrowly focused on that which you’re meant to be doing. That is which is connected to your who, your why.

So once you get clear on that, then you choose the what. And then the how is how you’re gonna practice. And that requires a lot of self-assessment as well. Because, let’s say you and I are both very clear that we’re meant to be warriors and leaders and teachers.

And all that’s great. So we’re clear about the WHO and the why, and let’s say it’s almost the same. But I’m gonna have different skills and talents than you. And we’re gonna express our uniqueness in a really different way.

And so we’re gonna practice different things. And we’re gonna practice it in a different way. Because we all learn in a different way. And we all have different starting points based upon various factors.

Okay, so there’s a lot here. I think one of the bigger points here is that whatever you’re really doing repetitively–and you can even tie this into a discussion about habits–but I’m going to come back to habits of a later question. Whatever you’re doing repetitively, you are greasing the groove of neurobiological imprinting. Which is going to make you good at it.

And so if you’re practicing being a jerk, you’re gonna become a really good jerk if that’s part of your habitual patterning right? Both emotionally, mentally, cognitively or with your communication style. So, you know, to develop some great self-awareness about that. About your jerkness and to start to change it. Start practicing the communications that will lead to not being a jerk. Like assertiveness and communicating from your heart and those types of things.

If you want to be a Navy SEAL, and you’re still eating you know two pizzas every night and drinking a six-pack of beer. And skipping training you know? Or you’re not doing the deep self-awareness of really assessing where you need to go with your training regimen.

Then guess what? You’re gonna practice being not a seal someday. And I see that happening quite a bit. People show up–because they haven’t done the work, they haven’t done this right self-assessment. Maybe their “why” is wrong. Maybe the “what” and “how” was off because they were practicing the wrong things. Which made a permanent, indelible mark on their body-mind system so that when they got tested or challenged in this fantasy ideal they had of being a Navy SEAL, they fail.

So yeah. We have to get clear about the who and the why first. And then narrow down the range of the what and the how. And the what is gonna be “what’s the outcome you’re looking for?” whatever your chosen direction is in life. What is the outcome you’re looking for?

And to be clear about that too right? So if it’s a warrior is it to be the best warrior you can be so that you can accomplish the mission? Or is it just to be a badass and go play Navy SEAL?

I mean there’s a big difference there. And that means there’s different habits and skills that you would work on, right? If you want to be a badass go ahead and practice the skills of being a badass and you know you’ll make them permanent eventually. It doesn’t mean you’re gonna be a great warrior or a great leader or a good person right?

So I’m kind of hammering this one home, but really it’s JC, you make a great point. Be careful what we choose to take on in life. Make sure it’s the right thing and if you get into it and if you have a growing certain sense of clarity that it’s not the right thing. That you’ve chosen improperly, then man, it is time to really take a hard look at that. And to get out. To make another choice right?

I mean, for four years I practiced the skills of being a certified public accountant. And I had this growing suspicion that you know perfection as a CPA was not gonna make me the type of person that I wanted to be. It wasn’t connected to my WHO and my why.

So I had to change that. And then completely change the things that I was practicing so that I could develop the habits and the processes and the “beingness” of being a Navy SEAL.

All right. At any rate, great question. Thanks for any much–hope I didn’t ramble too much on that one.

Ignore Age

12:44

Jeff B asks: how do you keep age or the impact of age out of your thought process on a daily basis?

That’s a great one. You know, I honestly think that our society is absolutely obsessed with age. If you see someone quoted in an article, they always quote the age. I mean, who cares right? Who cares? Age is just a number right? It doesn’t mean anything to me. And so that’s the kind of the first thing is to reframe why is age important right?

Honestly, I don’t give a hoot about my age. Sometimes I’m surprised. Sometimes I even forget, and I’ll write down a different age. And you know it’s just curious. Sometimes I’m like stunned that I’ve come this far, and I still think sometimes like I’m an eighteen year old, and sometimes I think like I’m a 39 year old. And sometimes I probably think like I’m 150.

And it doesn’t matter. It’s completely irrelevant.

A few things though that are more practical–if you want to like be forever young then you have to have habits that will keep you forever young. And I’m thinking it’s basically our SEALfit and Unbeatable Mind training model is a forever young model. The habits that I think are really important for you to consider doing–if you’re not already–but to do that really add a little element of “why” to it around longevity and maintaining a perfect state of body, mind and spiritual health forever. And living to an age that you think is enough right?

For me that might be from for me its 150. It might be more, who knows? Cause tech is on our side.

At any rate, daily movement is a no-brainer. Daily movement with lots of variety. With different levels of challenge. Some high intensity. Some stamina. Some durability. Some soft recovery type stuff. But you gotta move the body and move the energy. And keep the energy flowing.

Along with movement comes the breath. So daily breathing practices. Both with your movement and before and after. And at different parts of the day. Because the breath is really what’s drawing in life-force Prana and of course that valuable oxygen that we need. And so you’re constantly detoxifying your body. Re-energizing your body and keeping your energetic state really, really solid right? Next is balancing your physical being through proper fueling. And proper rest and recovery, okay?

And proper hydration. So hydration is a no-brainer. You want to just keep the fluid trickling in all day long. And I love the metaphor that you want to be more like a flowing river that you would like to take a deep drink out of. As opposed to a stagnant pond that you come upon you’re like, “Ech. This doesn’t look very tasty.”

So if you don’t drink constantly throughout the day then your body is getting to be like that stagnant pond. You know, you’re pouring a little coffee in here. And maybe some of you maybe a little soda–I would recommend cutting that out–or any kind of like sugary drink like Gatorade. And that’s just stagnating your body. It takes a while for your body to flush that out.

But if you keep water just flowing in like a drip system then your whole, you know… Your body’s what 78 percent water? Then that 78 percent water is going to be fresh. And it’s gonna help keep you nice and clean. And your cells fueled and energized whatnot.

Now we’ve talked a lot about fueling and I’ve done podcasts on fueling. But generally speaking, I think a big key to longevity is eating less than what our society has led us to believe is important to eat or is needed.

So I eat two meals a day and then intermittent fasting is another big part of this. So those two meals are eaten between the hours of like 11:30 or 12:00 in the afternoon and, let’s say, between 6:00 and 7:00 in the evening. And the rest of the time I’m not eating. And so I think intermittent fasting and eating less than the Western prescription have a huge impact on longevity. And basically feeling young. Younger every year so to speak. I think also just periodic fasting so my model is to try–is not to try–but to intermittent fast at least sixteen hours a day and also to fast for about 36 hours twice a month. So that’s going to be fun.

I got a little challenge I’m putting together for next year that I think we’ll all have fun with called the three to one challenge, but I’m gonna get into that right now. That’s just a little teaser.

But it includes fasting. Okay, and then mantra. Mantra is a big one. So one of my mantras is “day by day, in every way, younger and better, hooyah hey. Day by day, in every way, I’m younger and better hooyah hey.”

And it’s not so much that I’m you know like I have to be younger. But I just like that… I used to say “better and better” and that was an Emile Coue thing “Day by day, in every way I’m getting better and better.”

But you know I have to put a little spin on it and make it rhyme so… And I wanted to change younger and better one of those… Swap it out anyway so… That’s became “day by day, in every way I’m younger and better hooyah hey.”

And guess what? This is one of my mantras when I do my burpees every morning. It’s there for me when I wake up in the morning. And I think you know it’s part of that internal self dialog really has a big effect on your self-concept.

So we’ve talked about quite a bit but I would say the last thing is the future vision right? The vision you have for yourself that you come back to in your visualization training is of an ideal body, ideal mind, ideal emotional state. You and your best self which is frozen in a physical time or–and I don’t know if that’s the right term–but what I mean is that when I look forward 30 years and look at my future me, it looks a lot like… In fact it looks like a better version of me today right? I’m fitter, I’m healthier, I’m more radiant with energy. I’m even more aligned and purposed and being able to serve more powerfully. And I’m happier and more peaceful. All that kind of stuff.

And so that future person I’m becoming that has that gravitational pull, isn’t some codgy old man. It’s actually a better, younger version of myself.

So I’m thinking back to the Unbeatable Mind philosophy, age is what you make it right? And I’ve seen hundred-year-old Yogi’s who are just cranking it. And doing really well. And martial artists and you know they don’t physically decrepit at all. When I go back and visit Mr. Nakamura–who was my Zen master, he doesn’t really look any different. His hair is a little bit grayer but that’s about it. And that was 30 years. And he was in his 40s when I was training with him back in the 80s–mid 80s. So gosh, you know, he’s in his 70s now, or early 80s and he looks the same.

And that’s what I’m talking about. Daily training, daily breathing, daily mantra, daily movement, daily fueling in the way we discussed, daily hydration you know it’s all pretty mark one motto, so don’t make more out of this age thing than it is. I think ultimately that we could be young for as long as we’re meant to be. And then we’re ready to go. We say bye-bye.

Emotional and Intuitive Mountains

20:25

Okay. Enough on that. Philippe. Philippe O says: an emotional and intuitional mountain–so he’s referencing if you don’t know the five mountains of Unbeatable Mind–our physical, mental, emotional, intuitional and Kokoro heart-mind. So he says “in the emotional/ intuitional mountain what would be an ideal place to be at in ninety days? I can see physical and mental change a person can make such as losing weight, building muscle, overcoming of fear, etc. But what would the emotional/intuitional mountains look like once the person has made breakthroughs?

There’s a great question. So it’s true that there’s more evidence in the physical, especially the physical, but even in the mental mountain–there’s more evidence that you can kind of hang your hat on right? So we like to start our five Mountain integrative training with the physical and include physical in everything we do. Because we don’t like to separate the body, mind and spirit. We think they’re all trained together as one unified whole.

So ultimately you can also look at these… I’ve used this metaphor before as a kind of a Rorschach nesting doll, in that the physical is the outer. And you work on that and you see quick changes in the outer physique right? The physical balance that you have, the way you sleep and recover. Your musculature, your body mass index, your muscle tone, your six-packs… Whatever. All that will… You know, you do the work and guess what it will change. It will change. You just got to do the work, every day. And make it fun.

And then the mental mountain. A little bit harder, but you can you know generally detect changes in your mental state when you start box breathing. For instance, most people will report that they feel more focused, more calm and are able to concentrate longer. Because box breathing is a concentration practice.

Also they feel more physiologically in balance, which basically is saying that they’ve been able to reduce the stress in their life and to manage their stress through the adaptive response of triggering their parasympathetic nervous system. Through the Box breathing which is you know done when you breathe through your nostrils. So there’s mental benefit even though that is a physical / physiological process–I’m talking about box breathing– there’s a clear mental change that can be experienced. There’s not a single person who’s been through Unbeatable Mind who has taken box breathing seriously who hasn’t reported those benefits.

So that’s great we want to be able to say “yeah. Got that.”

Now emotional and intuitional. These a little bit harder. I’m writing a chapter in my book… There’s two chapters I’ve been really laboring over. One is the emotional power. Which is all about emotional development and BOO–your Background of Obviousness.

And the other is communicating. Communicating with heart. And the reality is, the insight I’ve been having is that communication and emotional development are almost the same thing. You will communicate at a level of your emotional awareness. And your emotional development. And it just seems so obvious when I say that. But it’s been looked at almost like as a practical social skill, but it really is kind of a character expression. Communication is expression of your character, as opposed to some sort of tactical skill.

And so one way to look at your emotional progress is your ability to like shut your trap and listen with more intention or quietude I guess. Or with more seriousness of trying to understand what someone is trying to communicate to you. As opposed to immediately reacting or responding in those habitual patterns.

And secondarily to develop skillful communications. Or to observe more skillful communications as a result of the training that you’ve been doing. Now if Philippe says like, “90 days.” I’m looking at this and saying, okay, in 90 days you know doing the foundational work of Unbeatable Mind, such as the movement and the changes in your fueling plan and intermittent fasting and all that practical, tactical external stuff. And adding box breathing through the morning ritual that…

Just do that. 90 days is not very long. I would not be thinking I’m gonna have emotional transformation and intuitive insights in 90 days. I think that comes more in like nine months. That’s why Unbeatable Mind is a minimum year-long training. It is not a quick fix I’m not a neuro-hacker by any stretch the imagination right?

I’ve got friends who are neuro-hackers. I get where they’re coming from. They’re approaching it from the biological brain is a computer kind of perspective. I don’t believe that. I don’t think the brain is a computer. I think the brain is a complicated organ that helps us make meaning… Helps our mind find expression and make meaning. But our mind is not our brain. And so in order to penetrate the mysteries of the mind, you gotta work with the brain. And you got to get it cleared, you got to calm it down. And you got to curate all the crap out of it. In terms of the context and the habitual thinking, there’s a lot to work on. And when you do begin to work on that, what happens is you get through the mental mountain and now you’re able to concentrate more, you’re able to clear your head on demand. You’re able to use the witness process, to begin to develop your emotional awareness. And then you’ll be able to see some real progress and the way you communicate with others will be evidence of that.

And then the intuitional mountain–again this one even comes after the emotional–because intuition essentially what we’re saying is we’re able to listen to the language of our belly and our heart. And our other sensory organs like our skin. And also the ability to you know what we call trans-rational intuition is you know information coming from outside of our normal senses, but still we’re perceiving it.

So this is advanced training. That’s why intuitional Mountain is Fourth Mountain. And like that Rorschach nesting doll, it’s the fourth one in. You have to go through the physical to clarify and control the mental. And then you have to go through the mental to develop awareness and control the emotional or to develop the emotional. And then what happens now is because your body mind system is able to experience total stillness, you’re able to hear the language of the belly and the heart. The language of your instincts. The language of your heartfelt intuition, or the heart’s kind of emotive power.

And also you’ll be able to get direct insight or inspiration from your perceiving mind, which is not your rational mind. So you might say that’s right brain versus left brain. I don’t look at it quite that compartmentalized but the intuitional mountain you’re going to be able to start to pick up you know sensations and information again nine months to a year into your training.

So be patient with this work. I mean you can’t… Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither is an Unbeatable Mind. So be patient. Generally just follow the practice. Journaling is a terrific way to begin to notice the emotional and the intuitive changes that come. And also the alignment that comes from the Kokoro Mountain. Which is really about aligning with your passion, purpose, principles and your “why” so to speak.

Wow such a great question. Kind of went off on some major tangents here–maybe not tangents–but there’s a lot to talk about.

Kids and Unbeatable Mind

30:46

This is like a micro-Unbeatable Mind training session here. It’s pretty cool.

Okay, Heather L’s question: I like to instill in my kids the 5 mountain principles. Where would be a good place to start?

Well with kids you really have to keep things simple. And really just give them a fun way to engage in the training.

So certainly the physical Mountain–I’m gonna be redundant here, because this stuff is obvious to me. But I gotta say it here. But the physical mountain with the kids is get them to eat, move and sleep. Eat well, move every day, and try to get a full nine hours of sleep is what these kids need.

So that’s no-brainer. Everyone already knows that. But it has such a big impact. And they can say “okay, yeah, I’m doing the first mountain. First Mountain is eat, move and sleep.

Now as far as the mental mountain, the one thing that I would work with kids is just the metaphor of feeding the courage wolf. Get them to begin to pay attention to their internal dialogue. And then to make sure that it’s positive and courageous.

So use the courage wolf metaphor. The story. And get them to basically start talking to themselves positively, and courageously, and powerfully. So they don’t talk themselves out of things, but into things. And begin to refine the brain in that regard early on.

Next is box breathing. Teaching the kid box breathing has been very effective for a lot of Unbeatable Mind parents, because box breathing for them really helps them calm down and control what’s going on in they’re confused body. So… Or they’re growing body, I should say.

So box breathing is a great way to get into kind of emotional and intuitive development without really getting into a more advanced training that would require a lot more depth of concentration and insight. Or knowledge.

And I know a lot of parents who box breathe with their kids at dinner. Or they teach their kids how to box breathe when they get stressed at school. Or if they’re bullied or something like that. You know, box breathe, feed the courage wolf. Right? Boom.

And then I would say the last thing here, is for you as a parent to model authentic listening. Listening with your heart. Really, really just through your own practice being more present with your kids as opposed to pushing them in directions that they may not want to go. Or being distracted while they’re trying to communicate. They really just want you to be there for them, with them. And frankly I think kids come in and are gonna unfold the way they’re meant unfold. Unless parents get in the way. And then it creates a lifetime of problems because now you get pushed into careers that are wrong. You get pushed into belief systems.

I mean look at all the crazy racial tension and all this stuff, you know? Kids don’t come in as racist. It’s basically learnt from their parents. So just make sure you’re not doing any of that. Acknowledge and investigate your own biases. We all have them.

And develop your own Unbeatable Mind. And then just be there for your kids and let them unfold in life the way they’re meant to be. Kids are not… You know, they come through you but they’re not meant to be like little replicas of you.

Anyways, that’s my opinion. It’s worth exactly what you’re paying for it. Which is, right now, nothing. How’s that?

Okay I think we have time for one more… I’m going to have to split this into two podcasts. Who knew I’d be so long-winded. I guess I did.

Coopetition Versus Competition

34:38

All right so this question comes from Robert P: “when working with other people that you know and like, but you’re competing for pieces of a financial pie, what’s the best approach? I’ve always tried to adhere to the law of attraction. Maintain a belief there’s plenty to go around. But it seems like a delicate balance in the ecosystem of business competition.”

You know, that’s true. I imagine Robert works in a financial industry or you know competing for sales. The way that our business has been organized in the industrial age really has a lot of kind of win-lose competition in it. Be aware of that first of all.

But also be aware that we’re moving toward a different model. And we can lead the charge. You know, I like the term world-centric. And so you know in Unbeatable Mind is developing world-centric warrior leaders. World-centric warrior leaders. So that type of leader is someone who takes care and concern for all humanity into consideration. So that in terms of competition, we’re not going to compete at a level that degrades or destroys the environment, or other people, or other cultures.

At the same time, we need to make a living. And so this is where the idea of law of attraction might make sense. It’s like okay, if we orient ourselves to serving the world, serving humanity, but also doing… Serving as many people in humanity as we can. Then essentially we’re going to attract to ourselves a certain type of clientele and energy. That’s gonna ensure our success over the long run. I believe that.

Having said that, I know at a very practical level some of us are like “hey, you know, if I’m a CPA in a small town. Or a financial planner. Or a lawyer. Or even a doctor, or whatever… I’ve got to basically go out and sell into the local marketplace. Well I really do think that the way you present yourself as a innovator. As someone who’s committed to some of these values like sustainability and moral centrism.

And really is attracting the type of client that you want to work with. And you basically start a whole ‘nother category, right? It’s like that blue ocean. That’s another great book to look at. “The Blue Ocean Strategy.” The concept there is just compete in a different arena. You know? Create a different arena.

So redefine yourself as a world-centric warrior leader. And in the seals what we used to use this term–or I did anyways–it’s called coopetition. It’s like “yeah, I’m competing with my teammates. But we did it with an intense spirit of cooperation. Because we needed each other.”

And that’s the point. We all need each other. Ultimately, we all want the same things. Competition when done just for the purpose of winning or getting something at the expense of others is not… It’s not gonna work very well in the future. And so the more that you can differentiate yourself now and in a heartfelt way… I meant in a really authentic way. Not just some marketing splash.

Then you’ll be able to be cooperative and competitive. So coopetition. And ultimately that abundance mentality will lead to more resources for you. More wealth. More peace of mind. And you’ll be redefining what it means to win. Which is I think really important in these days.

So there you have it. Thanks very much for listening. I appreciate your time. And for supporting us this podcast you know is found at unbeatablemind.com/podcast or my new Markdivine.com website, which I haven’t really promoted yet, but I’m just kind of waiting for the right time when I launch my new book next year. But anyways the podcast is there and so if you have any other questions. Or this sparks some thinking, then go leave a comment on one of those pages. Or on our social media and our Facebook page. Or Twitter or whatnot.

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Hooyah.

Divine out.